League Updates
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What happened to Community leagues? Why have team differences been removed? What is making this league different now from any regular league on osm where there are less differences in team values...
For years Community leagues provided excellent ground for team/crew competitions and now that has been destroyed with latest update where Community League M has barely any difference
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What happened to Community leagues? Why have team differences been removed? What is making this league different now from any regular league on osm where there are less differences in team values...
For years Community leagues provided excellent ground for team/crew competitions and now that has been destroyed with latest update where Community League M has barely any difference
@Matija-MD-Dujan
Doesn’t that make it fairer?
Since everyone starts with same teams?By day: professional osm player (former member & admin of gns crew, now member of ufn), and professional 3rd half player
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@Matija-MD-Dujan
Doesn’t that make it fairer?
Since everyone starts with same teams?@JAY-ZO We have plenty of leagues like that where team values are pretty much the same. Point of crew competition is to have people on different objectives so that every crew must plan more whonis better with attacking tactics,and who is better with defensive style etc. Also it gives more chances to crews to earn points in different ways... but oh well, sadly they never cared about competitivity...
🥉 OSM World Nations Cup 2021 - 3rd place (Croatia)
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oh wow i didnt notice, they didnt change objectives too. its on 1,5,9,13
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Hmm, seems that the message announcing the updates was lost (didn't worked, need to get more info on why it wasn't sent tomorrow)
We've been getting feedback from different users (not only one or two) that they would like to have a more balanced league for crews competitions and we decided to give it a go. We'll see how community reacts and we may update it again in 6 months or maintain same style depending on how community reacts.
If you're an experienced user, you know that Squad Value is not the only factor to compare teams. On OSM you can have a cheaper squad but improve it way faster than an expensive one through training or transfers. This is why we use a Quality Ratio to 'compare' teams. This Quality ratio takes into account league/team parameters such as number of players, age, ratings and squad value.
And while the difference on M league is not as big on S league, that difference is still there. Another reason for this lower difference was to allow a larger margin to improve the squads without have to spend BCs buying players above 100
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Weird feedback to be honest, because there are loads of leagues like San Marino, Austria 2nd etc. where differences are almost same like this. Community was the only one where there was equal and clearly set objectives so it was perfect for team competition. But oh well, its not that I play too many competitive leagues, so maybe these new generations like to play different way
Please just dont do something like this to friendly battle league, there is at least some spirit of "old crew battles" there and people need to show that they can play on goal 9 just as they can on goal 1, which is not easy and great team is composed of players who know how to react on both goals/objectives. Putting all the teams the same or in 10-20% difference is just not needed, as I said, plenty of leagues like that if people want them.
We will see if volume of using Community league will decrease now, that should be clear factor showing what people think of this. (not counting CCW25 that starts in 2 weeks because there was no time for organizers to adapt since this change came outta nowhere)
🥉 OSM World Nations Cup 2021 - 3rd place (Croatia)
Crew: Proud to be Croat -
Weird feedback to be honest, because there are loads of leagues like San Marino, Austria 2nd etc. where differences are almost same like this. Community was the only one where there was equal and clearly set objectives so it was perfect for team competition. But oh well, its not that I play too many competitive leagues, so maybe these new generations like to play different way
Please just dont do something like this to friendly battle league, there is at least some spirit of "old crew battles" there and people need to show that they can play on goal 9 just as they can on goal 1, which is not easy and great team is composed of players who know how to react on both goals/objectives. Putting all the teams the same or in 10-20% difference is just not needed, as I said, plenty of leagues like that if people want them.
We will see if volume of using Community league will decrease now, that should be clear factor showing what people think of this. (not counting CCW25 that starts in 2 weeks because there was no time for organizers to adapt since this change came outta nowhere)
@Matija-MD-Dujan said in League Updates:
....Please just dont do something like this to friendly battle league, there is at least some spirit of "old crew battles" there and people need to show that they can play on goal 9 just as they can on goal 1, which is not easy and great team is composed of players who know how to react on both goals/objectives. .....
Sorry... Let's try something different for some time... Break monotony.
If you remember OFM WC back in the old days, I loved to take managers out of their comfort zone. Just log in and do the same day after day is no fun
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I remember, sadly due to the unneccesary changes in global ranking (which is now filled with inactive players and cheater) we dont have official OSM WC for more than 5 years. So something new is not always great
Anyway, lets see what will this bring, as I said I dont play crew competitions that much anyway so maybe people indeed will like this change in overall. Im curious to see the stats of Comunity league "playability" and "usage" in something like 6months time
🥉 OSM World Nations Cup 2021 - 3rd place (Croatia)
Crew: Proud to be Croat -
I remember, sadly due to the unneccesary changes in global ranking (which is now filled with inactive players and cheater) we dont have official OSM WC for more than 5 years. So something new is not always great
Anyway, lets see what will this bring, as I said I dont play crew competitions that much anyway so maybe people indeed will like this change in overall. Im curious to see the stats of Comunity league "playability" and "usage" in something like 6months time
@Matija-MD-Dujan said in League Updates:
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Anyway, lets see what will this bring, as I said I dont play crew competitions that much anyway so maybe people indeed will like this change in overall. Im curious to see the stats of Comunity league "playability" and "usage" in something like 6months time
If things go really bad, we can even shorten that time!
I really think that shaking things a bit can increase the thrill, but let's see how community will react. I know for a fact that one of the discussions in crews when playing battles sometimes is: "Who will pick the worst team?" Now they'll be all alike, so thatwon't be an argument anymore
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill
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@Matija-MD-Dujan said in League Updates:
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Anyway, lets see what will this bring, as I said I dont play crew competitions that much anyway so maybe people indeed will like this change in overall. Im curious to see the stats of Comunity league "playability" and "usage" in something like 6months timeIf things go really bad, we can even shorten that time!
I really think that shaking things a bit can increase the thrill, but let's see how community will react. I know for a fact that one of the discussions in crews when playing battles sometimes is: "Who will pick the worst team?" Now they'll be all alike, so thatwon't be an argument anymore
Yea, we will see. But as I said, dont count this upcoming CCW season that starts on 10th May, as organizers did not have time to organize the competitions differently so they kept the Community league for it. But there are already talks about transferring next seasons of competition to other leagues potentially.
Yes, there are discussions about "who will take the worst team", but the best teams are built around variability and they must adapt to different situations ans tactical tasks ahead of them. One of the best things around "old style crew battles" was tactical organization on what is priority at certain round (which team/objective must win which games etc.). When you remove differences, you remove strategy and organizational skills as well sadly.
But as I said, lets see how will this go, maybe people indeed will love it. It is hard for us boomers and milenials to understand sometimes new generations
Who knows maybe FIFA also decides that matches will be half an hour games in future, after all people like shorter contents nowadays
🥉 OSM World Nations Cup 2021 - 3rd place (Croatia)
Crew: Proud to be Croat -
Yea, we will see. But as I said, dont count this upcoming CCW season that starts on 10th May, as organizers did not have time to organize the competitions differently so they kept the Community league for it. But there are already talks about transferring next seasons of competition to other leagues potentially.
Yes, there are discussions about "who will take the worst team", but the best teams are built around variability and they must adapt to different situations ans tactical tasks ahead of them. One of the best things around "old style crew battles" was tactical organization on what is priority at certain round (which team/objective must win which games etc.). When you remove differences, you remove strategy and organizational skills as well sadly.
But as I said, lets see how will this go, maybe people indeed will love it. It is hard for us boomers and milenials to understand sometimes new generations
Who knows maybe FIFA also decides that matches will be half an hour games in future, after all people like shorter contents nowadays @Matija-MD-Dujan
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That would be great man
