Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic
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@kromunal said in Game Updates:
- Does this mean that in a formation with 1 FW, we can not give him support midfielders, because it must be ST who has little defensive skills?
- Why are there no RB on my transfer list?
There are no RBs because there are not much full backs in the world.
- There is 4292 players that can cover RB position. SOURCE
- There is 4251 players that can cover LB position. SOURCE
Problem is, as i states in my previous post, GB marks certain players as CB even though they can easilly play many positions.
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Now managers will need to have specific players for each position in their squads, this isn't unique at all.
Would it affect the rating and performance of the players if for example LF played as a RF ??
I already built my squad in a very very combative league ( 19 active and friends managers ) and its not easy to rebuild a team in that league
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@koningco said in Game Updates:
@specialone Why is there no post about the random transfer worker times here? Is this a temporary test or will we keep this randomness? I had workers at 14:49 and 15:26 on my Aldosivi subaccount, which is too close together in my opinion.
No update, because this is not final yet!
We only provide updates when things are fully implemented.
Same thin is valid for the player positions. No info is provided because it's not fully implemented yet;!
Like with many new features, we first enable it for a small part of our managers. This is done randomly. When the feedback is positive, we will almost always implement the feature for all the managers.
@specialone Too bad that there is nobody from GB is online to answer questions while this change is suddenly implemented and has huge impact on the matches tonight. We really need more information about the impact of letting players play out of position. For example: I appear to have 4 DC's and 1 DR in my team, how big will the reduction for my DC with 14 Att be when I pitch as DL? Or would it be better to buy a DL on the transferlist which has a 10% lower defending rating because he performs better on DL than my current player.
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Would it affect the rating and performance of the players if for example LF played as a RF ??
I already built my squad in a very very combative league ( 19 active and friends managers ) and its not easy to rebuild a team in that league
@mαhmouժ-muhαmmαժ Yes, you can continue using your forwards as you like.
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@specialone Too bad that there is nobody from GB is online to answer questions while this change is suddenly implemented and has huge impact on the matches tonight. We really need more information about the impact of letting players play out of position. For example: I appear to have 4 DC's and 1 DR in my team, how big will the reduction for my DC with 14 Att be when I pitch as DL? Or would it be better to buy a DL on the transferlist which has a 10% lower defending rating because he performs better on DL than my current player.
@koningco said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
... has huge impact on the matches ...
Unfortunately, we can't share information on the exact impact of bonuses. However, we can share that lining up all your players on their specific positions will generate a bonus that's comparable to lining up the right Specialists.
Because specific positions and Specialists are a nice way for a manager to add that extra touch to the Line-up. -
I also noticed that the transfer list / transfer worker needs adjustments after this change. On my Aldosivi subaccount there are no side midfielders (MR/ML) or wingbacks (DR/DL) on the transfer list at the moment, while nobody bought a player on these positions after the last transfer worker.
@koningco said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
... there are no side midfielders (MR/ML) or wingbacks (DR/DL) on the transfer list ...
You can still use all Attackers/Midfielders/Defenders on their positions. Specific players on their specific position just adds a bonus.
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As much as I always wanted this update to happen (since the start of my OSM career I wanted to see positions on OSM) I must agree with some people here and say that sadly this update was not ready yet to be implemented on OSM. Some of the problems I have with this:
- too many players are put in certain positions, while in real life they play couple positions
- some positions are not well presented on the transfer list, and in game in overall (too few RM & LM players specifically)
These 2 problems are biggest ones for me. Just as the medals system, on its own this is a great idea, but its been rushed and not worked out well before being put into game.
@majstor-matt said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
- too many players are put in certain positions, while in real life they play couple positions
Yes, some players can play on several positions in real life. But most of them have one favourite specific position. The position in which the player features most, is used as their specific position in OSM.
Reminder: players still perform on their line. Specific position is just an additional bonus. -
New in OSM: Specific Positions! We heard your call about more possibilities to expand your tactical skills as a manager in surveys, social platforms and emails. Thanks for that! We especially loved the idea of more player positions.
From now on, players in OSM have a specific position instead of only defender, midfielder and forward. For example, Sergio Ramos is now a centre back.
In OSM, players perform best in their own specific position, but they can still play in other positions in the line. Beware: players still perform worse in a different line.
Use your Scout or the Transfer List to build your best team with the specific positions of the players.
You can discuss this update in here with other managers!
@specialone Would be so cool if we had some numbers, or rough estimation what does "performing worse" actually means, is it like 10-20-30% performance decrease, or. One thing I've noticed, transfer lists will have to be a bit more flexible, for example, in my Italian league, whole transfer list is populated by CBs only, no other types of defenders
*Cool update, though. Much more interesting to build a team now!
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Hey mate, notice the source you sent, in that many players are actually centre-backs and defensive midfielder. Right backs and left back is just one of their utility position.Boss at Pro Manager Guiders
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Hey mate, notice the source you sent, in that many players are actually centre-backs and defensive midfielder. Right backs and left back is just one of their utility position.I am not too happy now I built my line-ups on two subaccounts for tonight's matches. I really notice that I it's too difficult to build a good squad now.
Normally I check which lines need reinforcement: for example my defense needs a better player because the worst player is 7 points below the team average. Then most of the time I can buy a new defender with some attack skill. But now I have to buy a LB (left defender) and I notice that there is no LB on the market. I really think this player position update needs changes on the transfer market as well. We need enough players on every position for every manager, so more players in general and especially changes that add more rare players like RM/LM.
The second disadvantage is that the new update makes it's more difficult to switch tactics against different opponents. Normally I use 5 formations per season (sometimes 1 or 2 more in case of injuries / suspensed players). But with players on specific positions these tactical options are reduced. Example: 4231 requires a RM + a LM, while these players are not useful in 433 (A or B) anymore.
And the third disadvantage: it's more difficult to replace a tired or injured player. You normally won't have a backup DR + backup DL+ backup DC.
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This update is something we need to adjust and learn with.
But already i have a proposal:- remove the diffence between RB and LB, and LM/RM and RF/LF. Its gonna be very annoying to keep a balanced team and enjoy all the bonusses possible.
- with this update we need a far more balanced transfer list, fixed transfer worker times, etc.
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On the other hand it is another update that pushes the game towards being a FIFA Ultimate Team Look-a-like.
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I am not too happy now I built my line-ups on two subaccounts for tonight's matches. I really notice that I it's too difficult to build a good squad now.
Normally I check which lines need reinforcement: for example my defense needs a better player because the worst player is 7 points below the team average. Then most of the time I can buy a new defender with some attack skill. But now I have to buy a LB (left defender) and I notice that there is no LB on the market. I really think this player position update needs changes on the transfer market as well. We need enough players on every position for every manager, so more players in general and especially changes that add more rare players like RM/LM.
The second disadvantage is that the new update makes it's more difficult to switch tactics against different opponents. Normally I use 5 formations per season (sometimes 1 or 2 more in case of injuries / suspensed players). But with players on specific positions these tactical options are reduced. Example: 4231 requires a RM + a LM, while these players are not useful in 433 (A or B) anymore.
And the third disadvantage: it's more difficult to replace a tired or injured player. You normally won't have a backup DR + backup DL+ backup DC.
@koningco Absolutely true about the tactics. With these positions, you already got to figure out which tactics you wanna play during an entire season. I think the game is gonna be a 4231/451 only game.
We already see a lot of use from these 2 tactical formations.
Maybe @SpecialOne can ask Gamebasics/Miniclip about some percentage charts with used formations to show use which tactics are used most. -
@koningco said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
... has huge impact on the matches ...
Unfortunately, we can't share information on the exact impact of bonuses. However, we can share that lining up all your players on their specific positions will generate a bonus that's comparable to lining up the right Specialists.
Because specific positions and Specialists are a nice way for a manager to add that extra touch to the Line-up.@specialone The bonus increases for each player in their position, or is it a fixed bonus for having 11 players in their position?
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@specialone The bonus increases for each player in their position, or is it a fixed bonus for having 11 players in their position?
@gui-martins21 good question!
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@majstor-matt said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
- too many players are put in certain positions, while in real life they play couple positions
Yes, some players can play on several positions in real life. But most of them have one favourite specific position. The position in which the player features most, is used as their specific position in OSM.
Reminder: players still perform on their line. Specific position is just an additional bonus.@specialone said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
@majstor-matt said in Specific Player Positions - Discussion Topic:
- too many players are put in certain positions, while in real life they play couple positions
Yes, some players can play on several positions in real life. But most of them have one favourite specific position. The position in which the player features most, is used as their specific position in OSM.
Reminder: players still perform on their line. Specific position is just an additional bonus.Is it possible to make wingers play as side midfielders without being in the wrong position?
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@specialone The bonus increases for each player in their position, or is it a fixed bonus for having 11 players in their position?
@gui-martins21
i think yeslining up all your players on their specific positions will generate a bonus
looks like it should works like nationality bonus: if you found all
of Lord Voldemort's Horcruxesplayers for every specific position, bonus is triggered -
want to believe that GB understands that man, by nature, rejects everything new
I remember myself, when version 3.0 only appeared, I swore hysterically, but now, looking at the old screens of version 2.0, I don't understand what i could be unhappy with
disagree with most negatively minded speakers
in the game only added an opportunity to claim a little bonus, you can play as before and the result will not be worse
if you want it to work, you need to try to get it and you decide for yourself whether it's really worth it
but I agree that some points look unfinished, although you (on behalf of the developers) yourself stated that you are rolling out updates for everyone when it has passed all the tests -
Well it would be nice to players have two good positions like LF/ST
That way, it won't be to much players in the squad, and problem would be solved I think, or maybe not? xD -
@specialone
I can't believe it! Finally GameBasics made it! Now I can say to my friends that OSM is the best game!@vinayak-singh-mehra I guess you said the same to them, when they introduced VAR
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Well it caught most of us by surprise for sure and I believe not only managers were not ready but also the game wasn’t.
The worst part for me is that I asked all the managers of my English league about the update ( we are all friends and share a messenger group to talk and manage the league ) 4 managers said that they had the update a while ago and they started the season with it and bought/ trained / played players according to that ! While the remaining 15 managers weren’t and our teams ( and results in the last 2 games ) are huge mess ( some have 3 LF and 0 RF - some have 4 RB and 0 LB ) which is absolutely injust to our efforts and hardworking in building our squad
- you gonna fix that with the most annoying “ promoting “ of all time which is “ quick transfer “ that is absurd and not fair at all ( your work on your team for a while and make it stronger and some lucky manager sells players with 150 mil in one day and pays 3 to 4 players rated 94 and 95 and became much mach stronger)
The way I see it , the game is not ready yet and to apply that huge update something need to be balanced cuze managers will face many many problems:
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first of all you won’t of course tell us about how much or how does the bonus work, we need to understand. Some leagues you can play with any squad and you will end up winner, but for competitive league it all up to that little differences of some home bonus , form , or even chemistry. So you cant just neglect a bonus like that and act like you didn’t see it.
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now you have to decide a formation or two and build your squad on that. There is no flexibility in managing anymore for example with 5 midfielders and 3 strikers in the past you could play any formation you want. You can play 433 , 442 , 4231 and 451 for example with the same set of players but now you gotta got 2 , cm 2 cdm , 1 cam , 1 rm and 1 lm and am not mentioning rotation and who many player you need to do that ( and that is just one line of the squad ) .
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there are many players that play in multiple positions whether in the same line or not but you now limited them to one main position
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some positions don’t have enough players to cover an active competitive league
The way I think it should be
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since most of LM / RM players you switched into wingers and LM/RM don’t have enough players ( mostly LWB/RWB playes of teams playing 3 cbs for example Saka and Hakimy ) Players on both wings be able to cover in LM/RM formations without being labeled out of positions or get less performance.
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or you should give the players 2 main position which they are eligible to have full bonus if played in them.
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if its hard to do that for different lines ( like kimmich being CDM / RB or Sessegnon being LW/LB ) then do it for players it in the same lines ( like Pulisic being a RF / LF or Gabriel Martinelli being both LF and ST )
