Game Updates

SpecialOne

@Majstor-Matt Do you've an account on OSM NL? If not, create a new one and you'll see that in lower divisions the difference is quite big

Again, you guys are forgetting the key point here:
The higher you're the harder is to get medals and the easier is to lose them. After all on Top Divisions you're supposed to be:

7 - Word Star
8 - Icon
9 - Boss
10 - Legend

@ruipsc5 You're also forgetting that Medals are not same as MPs and that you see total medals earn so far.
If you lose 4/5 matches, total medals in a league for a manager on Division 9 or 10, depending on how many human managers league has, you should end up with negative medals. If you draw 10 matches and no defeats, it will be totally different, you should end in positive.

What if we replace that value by the expected end of season reward? Will it make any difference?

But I'm pretty sure that after last match you'll get 2 or 3K (if not more) as a end of season reward!

Again, I would like to state that we're looking into fine tuning / balance these values, but you're only looking at the higher division medals, where it's expected that you win pretty much ALL matches.

Do you guys really think that a 'linear' system common to all levels would make more sense? Where no matter which division you and your opponent are, you should always win huge amounts of medals and lose only a few?

Majstor Matt

@specialone said in Game Updates:

@Majstor-Matt Do you've an account on OSM NL? If not, create a new one and you'll see that in lower divisions the difference is quite big

Again, I would like to state that we're looking into fine tuning / balance these values, but you're only looking at the higher division medals, where it's expected that you win pretty much ALL matches.

Do you guys really think that a 'linear' system common to all levels would make more sense? Where no matter which division you and your opponent are, you should always win huge amounts of medals and lose only a few?

I understand that progression is much quicker on first couple levels, which is also ludacrous as people finish one league on every slot and are already level 5 almost lol

Nobody is saying that it shouldnt be bigger loss than gain on higher divisions, that is okay. Problem is that there must be a noticable difference whether I am playing against another "Boss", Legend" (call it whatever you like) or wheter I am playing a lvl 3 manager. If you implement that noticalbe difference even those cheaters at top will have to think of a new strategy because mainly all their imaginary opponents are max lvl 6 due to inactivity.

So for example, If I win vs lvl 10 manager while being lvl 10 on my own, lets say I get 200 medals. If I win vs lvl 3 manager while being lvl 10 myself I dont deserve more than 50 medals.

In other way If I as lvl 10 lose to another level 10 manager I should get negative medals, but considering I played against other lvl 10 manager that should be around -500 medals. If I , as lvl 10 manager, lose to a lvl 5 manager then feel free to take -2000 medals from me if needed. See what we mean? That is our main problem, and that is why these cheaters in top 50 have easy way of mantaining their ranking.

jeffro davies

@majstor-matt said in Game Updates:

@specialone said in Game Updates:

@ruipsc5 There's already a difference when you play against a lower division manager or an higher division manager, but as you pointed it's probably a bit too small, so yes, we'll be working on balance it a bit more

A bit too small you say Thats understatement of the year There simply must be noticable and big difference, just as we need to notice a big difference when we are playing with goal 16 team in Spain, or if we play with Real Madrid. Currently sadly, there is no initiative and logic for anyone to take weak teams, and league will be even more empty than they are now

Oh and yeah, great to hear that you will be working on it, thanks

Doesn’t anyone at Gamebasics play these leagues? It’s not rocket science lmao.

Any leagues with a big difference in squad values these medals need to be done differently!

An example, (I don’t do screen shots) I’m top of the league with G13 in CCW (community league) all roughly Division 9 on medals. I’ve only lost two games………. The manager list shows I will get a massive 150 medalsloads are getting minus and at the end and losing games against all the same ranked managers

Personally I can ignore these medals, I don’t care if I’m rank one, or ranked 500,00k!

But what is the most laughable is how many people will get to high division regarding medals and leave the game because of this. GB and the people what thought of this idea really haven’t thought this through at all. Changing manager points for this is one of the biggest mistakes they have done in the 8 years I’ve played the game. Greed takes over brains and this one is a massive mistake and still they can’t see it. Go to spec savers lads please

You really need to leave things alone that are not broken

ruipsc5

@specialone If you replace it for the "expected" end of season award it would be more positive in terms of daily motivation, because you're not losing medals instantly and you will have to wait until the end of the season to earn your medals. Also, if you leave a league, you have to lose medals. For sure! I suggested that in one of the latest enquiries you guys made.

We don't want always win a huge amount of medals and lose a few. We just want a fair system where we lose a significant amount of medals when we play against lower divisions players, a not so significant amount of medals when we play against same division players and a lower amount of medals when we play against higher division players.

And relate it with your Goal vs Position status. If I am currently in a position above my goal or finish a league also above my goal in a league with 15 other active managers I simply just cannot have negative medals. But If I have a G13 Team and am currently 15th, then I have to be punished. It's not logic and it doesn't reflect the reality.

If you solve this problem the most part of your "problems" will end, because you will stop having negative or deconstructive feedbacks.

If you do it, all the players will believe that they can reach the top of the ranking if they occupy all the slots and perform well in all the slots.

BVBPeregrinus_NL

@ruipsc5
I totally agree with the proposed changes you suggest regarding the medals you gain/loose related to the opponents strength/division and also your own goal/position. This would make more sense for everyone.

But I do not see any point in trying to obtain a good overall ranking anymore (other than 'eternal' glory), after GB has sacked the Top100 achievement.

ruipsc5

@bvbperegrinus_nl Hey! Thanks for the feedback.

It will be a new and different ranking where you have to perform really well and be really active in the game.

It's important that the new players feel they can achieve the top of the ranking in 6 to 12 months. If it's impossible to reach it or it takes years to achieve it... then they will not be interested.

I see it like the ATP Tour. If you win the Masters 1000 and the Grand Slams tournaments you know you will reach the top of the ranking. It can be the same here as long as you play in competitive leagues with active players.

Thanks!

PS - Good luck for the game against the Czech Republic!

BVBPeregrinus_NL

@ruipsc5
I think I need to wish you all the luck (or not)... as I am actually Belgian (Flemish)!

May the best team win.

I only hope you are not planning to do a Closed Training and/or go on a Training Camp last minute.

ruipsc5

@bvbperegrinus_nl

I'm going to Sevilla to watch the game live! Just got a last minute ticket! I'm really happy!

Closed training and 631A CA to surprise you guys!

I don't wish you good luck, then. ahahahah

sreeku_007

@ruipsc5 congrats Bro

AlyssaGB

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@koningco said in Game Updates:

@specialone
Can you (or someone else from the staff) please respond to my message about transfer workers that take place just before match time? See my post at 13:10 in this topic: https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/post/1126035

I hope the staff won't miss this message now that the discussion about medals started again here.

Hey mate, did you manage to get any info or statement about this? I started having the same problem, transfers literally 10mins before the game simulation.. It is really tricky If you dont have time to make changes in your line up at the right moment...

Koning Co

@majstor-matt No response from GB or Admins so far...

Majstor Matt

@koningco I see, thanks for the reply.

Daniele Benjiamin

@ialeksandari said in Game Updates:

Please, can any of the admins answer the question, why do transfers take place in the middle of a match simulation?

can you provide an example? (when it happened, league number, ecc..)
there aren't market sessions during server simulations, maybe some other manager made a purchase?

Majstor Matt

@daniele-benjiamin said in Game Updates:

can you provide an example? (when it happened, league number, ecc..)
there aren't market sessions during server simulations, maybe some other manager made a purchase?

Its happening in my battle league that is currently in progress. Last transfer workers after the timer for the game ends and merely 10mins before match sim which is around 20:43.

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Koning Co

@daniele-benjiamin
Hello Daniele,

I posted about these transfer workers around match time earlier. See this topic on the support part of the forum:
https://forum.onlinesoccermanager.com/topic/63025/transfer-workers-just-before-match?_=1625079975709

And it happened again today at my team Rotherdam United.

jeffro davies

I wouldn’t expect help on the workers before sim issue. Least one staff has replied and will try.

Abit of advice to help with it……….

If you have time count how many workers have happened (always 8 per day so you know if to expect one or not)
Don’t have players on the list in your starting line up if you can’t be around or have no good replacements. Just have your substitutes on the transfer list.

Not ideal but it will help with your starting line up.

Daniele Benjiamin

@koningco yes, upon requests and suggestions from users, transfers rounds have been adjusted in a way that all rounds occur during daylight, so last rounds could be close to match simulations...so be careful to not line up players that are on transfer list, or to not set on transfer list players that you want to use in next match

Koning Co

@daniele-benjiamin Thanks for the reply. It's good that transfers now occur during daylight times. Will there be an official announcement or is this still a test.

About the workers during match simulation times, can this be changed. For example last worker at least one hour before match time or shortly after the match simulation?

I think many users want to keep their players on the transfer list in stead of removing them before the match and adding them again after the match. Especially because the impact on the match result is huge when you have only 10 players in your line-up (and 8 on the bench).

AlyssaGB

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