Divisions - Discussion/Questions....

Vinayak Singh Mehra

Just see @AlyssaGB's post in which he tells about removal of manager points. Surely the most disvoted post ever Looks like everyone is sad with it️️ If you check more info in the same post, there was written they asked the top 10,000 managers. I don't think so that's true️️

BVBPeregrinus_NL

And what about the 'Top-100' Achievement (and its 7500 BossCoins reward)?
Once the ManagerPoints will be omitted, will this Achievement also cease to exist?

If this is the case, this isn't fair, because some Managers have been rewarded those 7500 BC and others will never be able to.

Pagno7

In any case, I read that this new classification is a real success ...
Everyone looks very happy.

It would take the opinion of the "best medal players", too bad they probably do not know the forum ...

good day to all.

Majstor Matt

@bvbperegrinus_nl
Why wouldnt there be a chance? Ranking will still be there and you will still be able to get into top-100. Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only

timilic7

@majstor-matt no versus bot in lock champ. It s more easy again.. And less expansive.. No transfert, no training camp, no friendly game... Top medals classement and no coins...

Rafelmaz

@hblauzahn said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

@ado-hackovic
Then take a look at this league of him. Active managers, almost no transfers. Why don't they check that?

https://de.onlinesoccermanager.com/League/Standings/101295071#standings-list

Because no time to check...need to check first classic battles...fair play....terms of OSM....

Ado Hackovic

@majstor-matt said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

Only thing is, you will have to stop play competitive leagues and start playing with noobs only

... "sleep" on OSM and play with 4 slots

Rafelmaz

Not a single positive comment. I would like to read someone who says...Old system is shit...new system is better. Just to understand why...

Márcio Girilim Santos

Good morning to all.

I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesn´t agreed with that.

I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great!

Shame...

If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...

Rafelmaz

@márcio-girilim-santos

It's a shame. A real injustice against all of us that puts time and efforts to improve legally during these years.

timilic7

@márcio-girilim-santos your text is perfect...

I would like to hear the opinion of the staffs of the different countries. They are also players

Ado Hackovic

@márcio-girilim-santos said in Divisions - Discussion/Questions....:

Good morning to all.

I already read all post about this decision to remove Manager Points and it is obvious that 99.9% doesn´t agreed with that.

I posted a comment in Portuguese Forum first about this situation where i gave the example here before explained by @HBlauzahn.

The actual top Medal Ranking Player villooti despite he is a OSM player since January 2020, he is at the top of the ranking ...
If we analyze this 4 slots, this player has the 4 leagues created by him.
SLOT H: There are 10 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 28M team.
SLOT 1: There are 14 coaches in a league of 14, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 25M team.
SLOT 2: There are 8 coaches in a league of 10, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 27M team.
SLOT 3: There are 12 coaches in a league of 12, all inactive coaches (except Villooti). Villoti manages to lead the league with 0 draws and 0 losses with a 29M team.

Recipe:: Just create the 4 leagues in the 4 slots, invite inactive coaches and you will be great!

Shame...

If Medal Ranking is a ranking to stay, please do not remove Coach Point ranking. Let the 2 co-exist...

"Managers" in his leagues:

Majstor Matt

@ado-hackovic
If you check some other leagues from people in top 10 situation is the same. 4 leagues with completelly same opponents and most of them are active just when needed. Looks like we simply do not know the right way to play this game, these guys have cracked it and I guess we should learn form them. They are "the best" after all

GuilhermeOliveira12

Very disappointing. I've been playing leagues for a long time to score and climb the ranking to simply throw our management points in the trash. Some work hard to earn those points. I'm almost reaching the Global Top 100 and would win the achievement of 7500 coins. This is a joke.

Majstor Matt

Never realized we have handball servers as well on OSM

Ado Hackovic

I believe that many accounts will be banned

rubber84

Buongiorno,anche io vorrei dire la mia al riguardo,questa decisione di togliere i punti manager mi sembra sbagliata.Questi sondaggi di cui parli,non li ho visti da nessuna parte quindi presumo che non siano veri.Prima di fare una scelta del genere mi sembra opportuno ascoltare prima l'opinione della community e decidere tutti insieme, perché credo che a nessuno piaccia questa idea.
Manager che giocano da anni vedranno il susseguirsi dell'eliminazione dei punti dopo lo sforzo per raggiungere l'alta classifica quindi mi sembra assurdo.
Per non parlare di questa classificazione delle medaglie che la trovo al quanto imbarazzante,ci sono manager che giocano da pochi mesi e si ritrovano alti in classifica ma presumo che non siano fenomeni,forse sarebbe meglio sistemare prima questo problema.
Spero che dopo tutte queste lamentele di tutti noi possiate tornare sui vostri passi.

SpecialOne

Looking at the majority of the posts we see in here, all should be fine if we lock the cheaters, is that it?

There will never be a perfect system that please all users. There were several reasons for us to look for a different ranking system (gameplay and technical reasons).

This new ranking is in place for 6 months and I didn't saw a single complaint/suggestion to improve it.... and now that we announce that we'll remove old one, suddenly it's all bad?

As far as I'm aware, there was also a lot of cheating with old ranking, but that didn't ended up in such a fast climb in rankings which make it difficult to spot them, now with 4 slots adding together, it's easier to spot them and they will be caught/punished faster.

Our main goal is not punish users, we aim to 'educate' users and make it harder to cheat. That's why we don't go on chase cheaters via ranking otherwise we wouldn't be doing anything else.

So... my suggestion is:

Let's work together on solutions to improve this medal ranking instead of just repeat yourselves saying this ranking is a bad idea?

NOTE: If you guys want me to be active providing answers where possible and discuss it with you, you first have to read, give it some thought and think before post!

Sercan0102

@specialone i think the ranking via medals are much more fair than it is used to be with the manager points. because in the system with the manager points, you would win more points winning a cup in a league with no other managers than you meet the club objective in a really competitive league. It is even higher if you choose a club with lower objective.

However, in the new system, you will win almost 5x more medal points when you win against a manager than against a cpu. And also there are bonuses if opponent manager is more experienced than you or your team is weaker.

I think it is obvious that if cheaters are banned, defeating really experienced managers will mean more than defeating those noobs.

edin_9705

@specialone So if it is okay to threaten to ban us for playing classic battles because it was against osm rules, but they do not ban those who cheat to rise in the ranking, if you as administrators do not take the corresponding measures you are being complicit in these practices.